WebRMS Queen Mary: 80,774 GRT: 1936: Currently a Hotel ship 16 October 1946 (entered service) RMS Queen Elizabeth: 83,673 GRT: 314 m (1,031 ft) 1946 1972 (Destroyed by fire) Scrapped in 1974 (after sinking) 3 February 1962 (entered service) SS France (1962-1980) SS Norway (post-1980) 66,343 GRT(as built) 76,049 GRT (final size) Quadruple-screw, 31 knots. 10, RMS Queen Elizabeth, The Beautiful Lady. Tonnage: 83,673. Finally, Queen Elizabeth was sold to Hong Kong businessman Tung Chao Yung, who intended to convert her into a floating university cruise ship called Seawise University. The QUEEN ELIZABETH never enjoyed the same affection that the Cunard men held for the QUEEN MARY, being described as the 'colder' of the two ships. The only signs of White Star which remained were the buff funnels of the BRITANNIC and the GEORGIC. to the Ambrose Channel Light Vessel off New York at 27.91 knots. The QUEEN ELIZABETH left Gourock for the last time as a troopship on 7th August 1945, flying flags which spelled out: 'Many thanks. Across the Channel at Cherbourg the French authorities had proved much more amenable. A southbound run produced a speed of 29.75 knots. Archives, Open Government Licence Tung personally visited his ship. On Sunday 9th January 1972, three fires started simultaneously on board. The QUEEN ELIZABETH of 1938 never visited the port of Liverpool, but on her stern were the words QUEEN ELIZABETH LIVERPOOL. WebThe Queen Elizabeth is the newest addition to the Cunard Line and made its debut voyage in October 2010. her summer overhaul in the King George V dry dock. The first, on 28th January in cabin main-deck 93, was extinguished by Southampton Fire Brigade and the second fire, just twenty-four hours later, was discovered in a C-deck cabin. -__________________________________________________________, Cunard Line QUEEN ELIZABETH of 1938, Part 1, Cunard Line QUEEN ELIZABETH of 1938, Part 2, Arrivals & DeparturesQueen Elizabeth Southampton 1950, (from an original painting by Robert Lloyd). These are undeniable facts. The new ship weighed her bower anchor half an hour later and with a mean draught of 37 feet 9 inches slipped through the anti-submarine boom that stretched across the Clyde between the Gantock Rocks and the Cloch Lighthouse at 8.15am. However, to stop the QUEEN ELIZABETH would take considerable time. Seesection 7.2. On 25th November 1935 Sir Percy Bates wrote to Swan Hunter; Vickers Armstrong; John Brown and Cammell Laird advising them that, although his Board had not reached any final decision, they might decide to build a vessel to run alongside the QUEEN MARY. One major factor that limited the ship's departure date was that there were only two spring tides that year that would see the water level high enough for Queen Elizabeth to leave the Clydebank shipyard,[15] and German intelligence were aware of this fact. During a conference on board, the U.S. military was told how many men had been transported on each Sydney - Suez voyage. On a particularly rough crossing in April 1955, during which there were gusts of wind to 70mph and a heavy swell of up to 50 feet, nearly 100 passengers and members of the QUEEN ELIZABETH's crew were hurt. Those crew members who, for family or other reasons, declined to sign the new articles were taken off the QUEEN ELIZABETH, sworn to secrecy and subsequently spent many hours, virtually interned, on board the Southampton tender ROMSEY in a nearby loch. The general assumption that the replacements for the 'Queens' would be built at Clydebank touched a nerve with Dr Dennis Rebbeck, deputy managing director of Harland & Wolff, Belfast. The troops would board the Elizabeth at Pier 90 at New York during the late evening hours under cover of darkness after being transported to the pier by either ferry or bus. Undoubtedly the incomplete QUEEN ELIZABETH was the greatest dilemma facing John Brown's on the outbreak of war. In writing to Cammell Laird, Sir Percy said that he was not entirely confident that it could deal with such a large ship and that in particular they might not be able to move the ship into their fitting-out basin. The result brightened up the ship considerably after the years of drabness. WebLists can also include passengers who were family members of seamen. The National Archives holds all the surviving crew lists and agreements for the Second World War and the succeeding years up to 1950. being transported (not for $100) in the QUEEN ELIZABETH who, in a burst of enthusiasm, said to one of the officers: A fortnight later, on Monday 20th August 1945, the QUEEN ELIZABETH arrived in Southampton for the first time - four and a half years late. We hold just 10% of the surviving records for this period. By converting water tanks, an additional 1,000 tons of fuel, or about one day's comsumption, could be carried. These agreements are unlikely to be held in any archive in the UK, but if any do survive, they may be in the archives of shipping companies such as P&O or the British India Steam Navigation Company, or in the East India Company Archives held at the British Library. John Brown Image The queen is greeted by Sir Percy Bates of Cunard John Brown Image The front cover of the official launching booklet for the Queen Elizabeth [9] Queen Elizabeth herself performed the launching ceremony on 27 September 1938. INS forms used to record information about passengers, crew members, and aliens: Form 680 or I-480, List or Manifest of Aliens Employed on the Vessel as Members of the Crew (used in 1945) Form I-481, List or Manifest of all Persons Employed on a Great Lakes Vessel (used in 1945) An alternative was serving in the Merchant Navy, and the prospect of earning 2 a week in the forces, or being well paid in the merchant service proved to be a one-sided choice for many youngsters. Rodaway Thomas. However, U.S. legislators had another surprise up their sleeve. The speed required for the 112-hour passage on the various tracks used across the Atlantic according to the season would be between 27.61 and 28.94 knots. From the passengers' point of view it had the disadvantage of being 100 miles further away from Paris than Le Havre. In December 1974 the decision was taken to scrap the remains of the QUEEN ELIZABETH. [17] In mid-March, carrying 8,000 American soldiers, Queen Elizabeth began a 7,700-mile voyage from San Francisco to Sydney, Australia. During the five years she had carried 300,000 passengers. After leaving Singapore the QUEEN ELIZABETH headed for Sydney. The passage time to Nassau would be 39 hours each way, giving passengers almost two full days there. With ' Queen Mary' she provided weekly luxury liner service between Southampton in the United Kingdom and New York City in the United States, via Cherbourg in France. Sir Basil Smallpiece (Cunard's chairman since November 1965 when he succeeded Sir John Brocklebank) decided that the time had finally come for drastic, long-delayed surgery on the Cunard passenger fleet. Official logs are found with the agreements and crew lists, where they survive. Additionally, the proposed site was adjacent to Philadelphia International Airport wit its deafening aircraft noise every few minutes, and finally a nearby oil refinery would waft odours over the ship. Alternatively, searchThe National Archives library catalogueto see what is available to consult at Kew. A barrier was then constructed around the hull to shut her off from the river and to prevent the Clyde-borne silt building up around and under the hull. During the first weekend of the war her newly erected forward funnel, resplendent in Cunard red and black, was hastily overpainted in grey. 1951onwards While being constructed in the mid-1930s by John Brown and Company at Clydebank, Scotland, the build was known as Hull 552. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. This had been included on the Mary to spend the force of any heavy sea that might break over the bow before the water could damage the superstructure. Following his retirement, Sir James was in great demand as a lecturer and one day was telling some schoolchildren of the days when 2,000 lbs of bacon and 32,000 eggs were cooked for breakfast every day. More than a year after the two 'Queens' had last met in New York, they sailed in company for the very first time in April 1941. Typically, if you can locate a seaman in a crew list you will find out his: You should not expect to find any detailed accounts of day-to-day life or the activities of crew or passengers. In an lighter vein, it should not be forgotten that it was a G.I. In July the ship was sold for $8.64 million to a company called Queen Inc. Following her arrival at New York on 28th October 1968, the QUEEN ELIZABETH was feted and honoured with both private and official functions being held on board. On 26th July 1933, King George V and Queen Mary sailed into the new dock in the royal yacht VICTORIA AND ALBERT to perform the opening ceremony. The small vessel's skipper hoisted a flag signal: "What ship is that?" The Verandah Grill on the QUEEN ELIZABETH -, exclusively for the use of first-class passengers. With White Star now under Cunard's wing, Harland & Wolff at Belfast were also invited to tender, a position not previously open to them. With ' Queen Mary' she provided weekly luxury liner service between Southampton in the United Kingdom and New York City in the United States, via Cherbourg in France. When he asked for questions, one boy shot up his arm and asked: "How big were the frying pans?" The BREMEN's triumphant return to Hamburg after. The RMS Queen Elizabeth was an ocean liner operated by Cunard Line. But the QUEEN ELIZABETH made only 38 crossings and yet carried 66,000 passengers, giving a average of 1,752. Some of the publications below may be available to buy fromThe National Archives bookshop. Completed by the masters of ships engaged in the coastal or fishing trade, giving the voyages and crew for the preceding half year, and was to be filed within 21 days of the end of June or December. This was not a record breaking passage, and not surpassing the time of her running mate, the Queen Mary, but on this occasion no special effort was made to accomplish that feat. GGA Image ID # 1d36e82385. She would then have been remembered as the fine working ship that she undoubtedly was. The, On 8th November the QUEEN ELIZABETH sailed on a 'Farewell Cruise' to Las Palmas and Gibraltar, and was back at Southampton on 15th November. WebFirst time the Queen Mary carried American troops (8,398 troops, 905 crew). All fields were usually completed. A large amount of tropical growth that was fouling the liner's bottom plates needed to be removed: it was estimated that the growth reduced her speed by two knots or more. It was reasoned, therefore, that if the passage time could be reduced to five days, it would be possible for two ships on a fortnightly service to do the work of three. On another occasion the Elizabeth had to go full astern because a yacht crossed her path, and as a result the liner's stern touched a mud bank. wartime home port, for the very last time on 12th March 1966. Mr Tung's plan (he liked to be called 'C Y') was based on an idea first proposed by U Thant, the Secretary General of the United Nations, that a ship be used for educational purposes whilst spreading goodwill and understanding amongst nations and between different cultures. For another year, her sibling did military service, returning troops and G.I. [9] These fires were set deliberately, as several blazes broke out simultaneously throughout the ship and a later court of inquiry handed down a cause of arson by person or persons unknown. RMS Queen Elizabeth, World's Largest Liner. WebSearch and download () lists of passengers boarding at UK and Irish ports and travelling to places such as America, Canada, India, New Zealand and Australia between 1890 and 1960 (BT 27) on the findmypast.co.uk website and also on the Ancestry.co.uk website. Flt.Lt. In late 1961 Cunard installed fruit machines (popularly known as one-armed bandits) on the QUEEN ELIZABETH and was immediately criticised for resorting to such a revenue-producing device on a luxury liner of this class. [19], Queen Elizabeth and Queen Mary were both used as troop transports[20] during the war. Flt.Lt. They demanded 50 per man danger money-cum-bonus, but were given 30 plus 5 per month extra pay. All twelve boilers had been reconditioned and her four engines thoroughly overhauled. On 11th July Bates replied asking Piggot to 'think of another good number'. The fewer crossings were due to the Elizabeth's extended overhaul during which stabilisers were fitted, and if she had made her usual 44 crossings then the results might have been very different. With flight time cut from twelve to less than seven hours, the lure was irresistible. WebScenes on the main podium prior the launching, the two Princesses are notable, especially Princess Elizabeth , our future Queen! This 'Glee Party', as it was known, then toured the vessel deck by deck. For just fourteen days between 7th and 21st March 1940, the world's three, largest liners were together at New York. During this time, and for a while after, she was under American control through a lend-lease agreement. The fewer crossings were due to the, At the Cunard Steamship Company's Annual General Meeting held on 28th May 1959, the Chairman Colonel Denis Bates speculated on how the world would be travelling in the future. [25] However, the strategy did not prove successful, owing to the ship's deep draught, which prevented her from entering various island ports, her width, which prevented her from using the Panama Canal, and also her high fuel costs. Perhaps the advent of the fully air-conditioned UNITED STATES prompted Cunard to take this measure. Years indicate year of entry into Cunard service. Listing Includes Date Voyage Began, Steamship Line, Vessel, Passenger Class and Route. She docked on the north side of Pier 90 at 5.pm on the afternoon of Thursday, 7th March 1940. Shipwrecks and maritime incidents in 1947, Shipwrecks and maritime incidents in 1965, Shipwrecks and maritime incidents in 1972, RMS Queen Elizabeth from Victory to Valhalla. The C.G.T. Many thanks to Ted Finch for his assistance in collecting this data. "Public memory is notoriously short," said Dr Rebbeck, "It has apparently been forgotten that in 1927 we laid the keel of a 1,000 foot passenger liner for the White Star Line. They would follow the natural progression of developments then taking place in marine engineering and in naval architecture. To find a crew list and agreement from 1855 onwards, you will need to know the ships official number. THE CUNARD - WHITE STAR LINER 'QUEEN ELIZABETH'. Tonnage: 83,673. This shipping empire was owned by a Mr C.Y. On her maiden voyage in 1928, the German liner BREMEN captured, the Blue Riband of the North Atlantic, crossing from the Bishop Rock. But the QUEEN ELIZABETH made only 38 crossings and yet carried 66,000 passengers, giving a average of 1,752. ", The promenade deck main square on the QUEEN ELIZABETH. The planned several-week trip turned into months as the crew battled with boiler issues and a fire. Scrapping seemed to provide the obvious, almost humane, answer to dealing with the problem of the QUEEN ELIZABETH. The King George V Dock at Southampton, specially built for the 'Queens' was unusable because it was within range of Nazi bombers; the use of the American dock at Bayonne, New Jersey, was denied because of U.S. neutrality; the Esquimault dock on the west coast of Canada was just too far away, and the French dock at St Nazaire (built for the NORMANDIE) was out of the question. The trend of development in the design of Atlantic liners since the coming of steam had been towards larger and faster ships; the larger ships being more comfortable as they were less affected by the elements, whilst the increased speed shortened the trip. Chesney Henry. The now retired Commodore Marr and a former chief engineer of the ship were hired by Tung as advisors for the journey to Hong Kong. After the formal speeches had been completed there was a pause as high tide and slack water were awaited. The majority of the QUEEN ELIZABETH's crew left for home on Cunard's SCYTHIA, leaving just 143 men to form a skeleton crew. The size of the two proposed superliners was not dictated in any way by a desire on the part of Cunard to have 'Big Ships' for their own sake. [5] She was launched on 27 September 1938 and named in honour of Queen Elizabeth, who was later known as the Queen Mother. On 6th February 1940 he ordered that the liner should leave the Clyde at the earliest possible date and 'remain away from the British Isles for as long as this order remains in force'. [10] She was to be eleven feet longer and 4,000 tons greater displacement than her older sibling, Queen Mary. As a result only twelve boilers were needed for the QUEEN ELIZABETH, rather than the twenty-four in the Mary. Queen Elizabeth leaving New York during her last voyage, 1968. WebScenes on the main podium prior the launching, the two Princesses are notable, especially Princess Elizabeth , our future Queen! The ships are listed alphabetically by name in the paper catalogue. [14] The ship was then sent for fitting out. The QUEEN MARY (as '534' became after all the secrecy) was launched nearly six months later on 26th September 1934. In the centre, on the south side of Pier 90, is the QUEEN MARY, and across. The following year the wreck was deemed an obstruction to shipping in the area, and in 1974 and 1975 was partially scrapped on site. The small vessel's skipper hoisted a flag signal: Because of a strike by New York tugboat men there was a possibility that the QUEEN ELIZABETH would be diverted to Halifax. The Cunard colours were painted over with battleship grey, and on the morning of 3 March, the ship quietly left her moorings in the Clyde and proceeded out of the river to sail further down the coast, where she was met by a King's Messenger,[15] who presented sealed orders directly to the captain. Apparently the torpedo had exploded well away from the ship. First Armored Infantry Division (15,125 troops, 863 crew). By six o'clock the next morning, thirteen tugs had arrived from Southampton, Portsmouth Dockyard and Poole. Although the QUEEN ELIZABETH could carry 2,200 passengers, the number would be limited to about 1,200 whilst cruising. The Mercantile Marine Act of 1850 required masters to keep a ships Official Log to record events on board including: Logs were deposited after each foreign voyage, or half-yearly for home trade ships. Altogether the QUEEN ELIZABETH made 35 round voyages across the North Atlantic on the 'G.I. He described it as 'a British understatement with a vengeance, as though the British world of ships and shiplovers looked the other way until she had gone. The dock could be emptied of its 180,000 tons of water in four hours. [11][9], Queen Elizabeth was built on slipway four at John Brown & Company in Clydebank, Scotland, Great Britain. When he asked for questions, one boy shot up his arm and asked: In November 1942, the QUEEN ELIZABETH was involved in an incident that still remains the subject of much speculation. [26] The vessel was sold at auction in 1970 to Hong Kong tycoon Tung Chao Yung.[9]. A/CPO Lornie Peter Barnard. There were only five dry docks in the world which could accommodate the, The QUEEN ELIZABETH arrived at Singapore three weeks after leaving New York for a seven-week conversion into a troopship with accommodation for 5,000 troops. The Americans demanded that the QUEEN ELIZABETH be brought up to the new standards of fire protection which would have to include the fitting of additional fire sprinklers and the boxing-in of stairways that could otherwise act as deadly draught tunnels in the event of fire. WebRMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger Lists 1947-1954 RMS Queen Elizabeth, World's Largest Liner. She had crossed the North Atlantic Ocean 896 times in peacetime, and had carried 2,300,000 passengers, steaming 3,472,675 nautical miles in the process, On 6th November 1968 Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother visited the ship for the very last time. Artificial flowers were tried with the result that the company was inundated with complaints and Cunard rapidly re-introduced fresh flowers at a cost (in the late 1950s) of 850 per voyage. the NORMANDIE, the QUEEN MARY and the QUEEN ELIZABETH. Just after midnight on 25th September 1967 the two 'Queens' passed each other in mid-Atlantic, the QUEEN MARY makingher final eastbound transatlantic crossing. The QUEEN ELIZABETH berthed alongside the Ocean Terminal, at Southampton, taking on bunkers for her next voyage. The new centrally-placed companionway is in place in this photo and there's a repaint where the ladders once were. Cunard White Star Tourist Class, January 1949. Rear Admiral Carruthers Joseph William. Searchby ships official number in: There is also an index to Second World War log books, agreements and crew lists inBT 385. and acceptance trials over the Arran Mile, in the Firth of Clyde. The QUEEN MARY still holds the Blue Riband with her 1938 eastbound crossing at 31.69 knots, and that is quite good enough. This argument was buttressed by the statement that the British Government charged the United States for transporting American troops in the QUEEN MARY and the QUEEN ELIZABETH. Eventually both the House of Commons and the House of Lords voted and the Bill was passed on 27th March 1934. By the beginning of March 1940, Queen Elizabeth was ready for her secret voyage. The continuing popularity of the ', The general assumption that the replacements for the ', Of all the strikes and disputes that hit the QUEEN ELIZABETH, the most catastrophic was the 42-day seamen's strike of May and June 1966. The truth was rather different, as the QUEEN MARY had a long, ponderous roll in a heavy beam sea which was only cured by the installationof two sets of Denny-Brown stabilisers in the late 1950s. Use this guide for advice on how to find British merchant shipping records known as crew lists and agreements, originally known as muster books, and log books. The first meeting of the two 'Queens' at sea - off Sydney Heads in 1941. In September 1969 a hurricane warning caused the then almost deserted ship to be partially scuttled to prevent her tearing away from her berth. Despite the effectiveness of the new stabilisers to minimise rolling, nothing could be done to reduce the pitching. The National Archives of Australia has a large number of record series concerning ships crews and the merchant navy. The QUEEN MARY's arch rival on the North Atlantic - the French Line's superb NORMANDIE - was studied in detail. [32], After the fire, Tung had one of the liner's anchors and the metal letters "Q" and "E" from the name on the bow placed in front of the office building at Del Amo Fashion Center in Torrance, California, which had been intended as the headquarters of the Seawise University venture;[33][34] they later went on display with commemorative plaques in the lobby of Wall Street Plaza, 88 Pine Street, New York City. She was back in New York on 19th August to begin her regular G.I. The secrecy ) was launched nearly six months later on 26th September 1934 a result only twelve boilers needed. 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